Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Dave Gaubatz, the first U.S. civilian (1811) Federal Agent deployed to Iraq in 2003. He is the owner of DG Counter-terrorism Publishing. He is currently conducting a 50 State Counter-terrorism Research Tour (CTRT). He can be contacted at firstname.lastname@example.org.
FP: Dave Gaubatz, welcome to Frontpage Interview.
Seven Muslims from North Carolina (NC) were recently arrested for terrorism-related charges. Frontpage previously interviewed you about Islamic Centers in NC advocating violence against America and innocent people. Are they related?
Gaubatz: Thank you Jamie.
Yes they are related. The same ideology being advocated by the seven Muslim men is exactly what is being advocated at several NC Islamic Centers and by Islamic leaders across America. I conducted research in NC several times in the last two years and the evidence forced me to rate it very high for potential for violence.
Imams and Islamic leaders are not going to openly instruct their worshippers to commit ‘physical jihad’ against countries and people who do not believe in their version of “Pure Islam,” but they will provide them materials to study advising this type action. I have repeated this for years during lectures to law enforcement and to the public.
Islamic leaders who advocate an Islamic Ummah (Nation) worldwide and under Sharia (Islamic) Law condone physical jihad to achieve this objective. One will seldom see an Islamic leader conduct a “suicide mission,” but they have no problem sending innocent children and naïve adults to do it for them. If I can go to a location a few hours and determine what is being taught to the worshippers, specifically the children, then CAIR, MSA, AMPAC, ISNA, MANA and a half dozen other IRS approved Islamic organizations fully understand what is being taught and advocated through the materials at Islamic Centers and in Islamic schools. Senator Larry Shaw (D-NC) and Congressman Keith Ellison (D-MN) are also aware.
FP: Do you see this as a victory for our law enforcement?
Gaubatz: The politically correct answer would be to say yes, but in reality we are 10 steps behind the enemy. The FBI and participating agencies simply arrested and will prosecute the easiest “cases.” How difficult is it to investigate Muslim Americans who have trained in foreign jihadist training camps? We are continuing to send thousands of our troops to Iraq and Afghanistan while the enemy is already inside the U.S.
There should be a point in history when we see ourselves going around and around in circles. We should stop, relax, get focused, read history, and then protect from the inside first, then outside. The indictment of the seven men is like arresting the administrative assistants of “Bernie Madoff” and ignoring Madoff himself. Would the fraud scheme ever stop if time after time only the low level people were ever arrested? It did not work in the “War on Drugs” and it will not work on the “War on Terrorism.” In actuality there is not even a small dent being made by arresting these seven people.
The FBI has caught the smallest fish in the ocean. Good people, trying hard, but they do not have the political power or training to fight Islamic based terrorism. I could say the training they receive is outstanding, but in reality most of it is water-downed CAIR diversity training in regards to counter-terrorism. I previously provided my assessment of NC in a sworn affidavit. I will swear in additional affidavits our law enforcement are not properly trained. How many have ever read the entire works of Riyadh Ul Salheen?
FP: You have been correct about several of the locations you have pointed to in terms of breeding grounds where worshippers in certain mosques would become violent.
Which area do you see coming to the forefront in regards to indictments of terrorist actions?
Gaubatz: Washington DC. Professionally I believe Americans are going to be demanding our leaders to begin arresting, indicting, prosecuting and sentencing the “real” people behind the ideology being taught in NC, UT, MN, CA, and everywhere in between. As a society we should be expecting nothing less than worshippers at mosques such as in Raleigh to be carrying out the plans of their leaders. Again this is exactly what the leaders want, but they can stay behind the scenes and use their liberal media outlets to now deny any knowledge of the suspect’s actions. They will again make written and spoken announcements denouncing terrorism, and again most people will support them. At the same time they will continue to distribute Imam Siraj Wahhaj, Ali Al Timimi, Abul Maududi, and violent terrorist material from Saudi, Pakistan, and Egypt to name a few.
The following statements are from an Islamic terrorist manual obtained in Virginia, and distributed across America. Review and determine if they can be taken out of context, or if a young Muslim child were to be taught from the age of 5 or 6 until they are 18, if one would not expect the child to hate and want to kill persons who do not uphold “Pure Islam.”
“It is imperative therefore that war be waged both specifically and against the larger totality before victory is possible. Archive system, individual terminal, national debt-all these must be targeted. It is already well-known what the reneging of one country on its massive debt would do to the total market stability. No one has yet contemplated the impact of one destroyed Stock Exchange or Central Bank Archive.”
“Six Conditions Make Jihad Obligatory”
4. Free Birth
5. Male sex
6. Physical ability (bodily and financial)
“Jihad is Undertaken Against Three Groups”
1. The Kuffar
“As to the kuffar, all types of them should be fought. But all are in agreement that women, boys, hermits and decrepit old men should not be killed unless it is feared they will be a source of danger and intrigues”.
“Kill them..except women, unless they engaged in the fighting”
“Priests in their churches, unlike recluse worshipping monks, should, of course, be killed without any exception”.
The following was provided to me and is distributed to Muslim worshippers (to include children) in Raleigh, NC. You determine if the wording is simply historical content of 1400 hundred years ago, or if it is meant for 2009.
“In accordance with the conditions of his times, the Prophet (PBUH) ordained the Muslims to acquire every possible power and keep it ready for war. Elucidating his order on this point, he stated that by power he meant archery and then he repeated this word three times to stress its importance. He did it because the art of archery had fundamental importance in war at that time. In the present-day world, archery has lost it value as it has been replaced by other inventions like tanks, guns, missiles, atom bombs, etc. Similar is the case of devices which are used in air and naval war, and all these military wares have superb importance in modem warfare. In the present-day context, the injunction of the Noble Qur'an to acquire power means manufacturing and possession of all these devices. It is incumbent on the Muslims that they equip themselves with all this material and show no carelessness in this regard. In modem times, Muslims have badly neglected this field with the result that non-Muslims have more knowledge of modem warfare and by dint of that they are dominating the world and making a claim of their supremacy all over the world. Unless Muslims pursue the Qur'anic injunctions on this score and acquire greater or equal or at least similar measure and style of power, as is possessed by the non-Muslims, they will not be able to check the onslaught of their enemies, and to defeat them. It is incumbent upon the Muslim to overpower the might and power of the infidels for the glorification of Islam. But it is essential that they should not slack in acquiring the material resources required for war, nor neglect military preparations and exercises. Modern military weapons and new style of warfare have now taken the place of archery, and Muslims should master all of them.”
In addition, various materials are distributed by Islamic leaders (to include CAIR and ISNA) advocating the concept: “There is no Nationality for a Muslim except for Islam.”
I would add Americans should not expect allegiance to America by anyone who will not ‘Pledge his/her Allegiance to our country.”
FP: Why do you believe law enforcement is ignoring evidence such as the above?
Gaubatz: A bit of politics, money, media influence, the power of Saudi Arabia, ineffective (on our part) liaison between our law enforcement which is led by the Islamic organizations and our officers naively follow, and the primary reason is due to the misinterpretation (in my professional opinion) of our First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I will give a very basic example:
Hypothetically: If an 10 year old child in a public school wrote a note to one of his classmates stating he was “tired of being bullied and was going to do something about it,, and this note was found by his/her teacher, more proactive action would be taken against the 10 year old than to an Islamic leader who publishes a book or documentary telling his worshippers to use physical Jihad, kill infidels, and overthrow America.
Jamie our country has got to the point that if a person produces a DVD with an expensive cover, then somehow politicians and law enforcement are blindly led to believe the material is covered under the First Amendment. If this is indeed true then we need to wave the white flag of defeat.
FP: Final thoughts?
Gaubatz: I want to first thank you and Frontpage for bringing these issues to the public attention while the mainstream ignores them for the most part. A neighbor of one of the seven indicted NC men has said, “If he is a terrorist then he is the nicest terrorist I have ever met.” Many law enforcement officials have made similar comments about Islamic leaders/Imams after an ‘Interfaith/liaison’ meeting. This comment best reflects what I have been advising both the public and private sectors within the U.S.
Islamic leaders who believe and advocate in destroying our country are often very charismatic people. This is why they are leaders. In comparison one need only look how millions of Americans were fooled through media, money, and charisma by our sitting President. As a teenager when pranks were being pulled on one another we would often say “you should not be so gullible.” Just because one has a PhD, money, and the media behind them does not mean they bring the truth with them. In order to find the truth you must first know what the truth is.