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The Ville Blog's David Horowitz Interview By: The Ville
The Ville | Tuesday, April 08, 2003


I've been a big fan of Mr. Horowitz for some time. The idea of interviewing him popped into my head while I was reading some articles on his site. So, last week, I picked up the phone and called his office in L.A. and was greeted by a very friendly and helpful woman named Elizabeth. I introduced myself and told her what I had in mind; she explained to me what I needed to do. I thanked her, hung up the phone and promptly sent an email detailing my intentions, which she, in turn, forwarded to Mr. Horowitz.

Much to my surprise, Elizabeth emailed me back later that day and gave me the go ahead to call Mr. Horowitz directly. I went to Radio Shack the next day, purchased a cheap tape recorder and spent the rest of the night preparing the interview. I phoned Mr. Horowitz the following morning (yes, I was nervous) and spent about 30 minutes doing the interview.

I'm pleased to present his enlightening and eye-opening responses. The man is a true War Blogger.

Brent:
In your book, Radical Son – A Generational Odyssey, you state, “it is the inhumanity of what I have seen to be the Marxist reality that has made me what I am now.”

Could you briefly explain what you mean by the “inhumanity” of “Marxist reality”?

Mr. Horowitz:
There’s the crude fact that Marxists in power killed 100 million people in the 20th century - in peacetime - and created the most oppressive, monstrous regimes in human history. As many people didn’t die but might as well have, or were put in the gulags.

Of course Marxism created the worst man-made poverty known. There’s a sense, which I talk quite a bit about in Radical Son, in which Marxism is a de-humanizing outlook because it deals in abstractions like “classes” that violate the reality of the individual systematically. Marxists do things in the name, for example, of poor people and minorities that are incredibly destructive to poor people and minorities.

Brent:
As the father of two teenage boys who will be college bound in three years, I’m increasingly alarmed at the influence of hard-left professors on our nation’s campuses. These professors indoctrinate our children to hate their own country and though they claim to stand for justice, free speech and tolerance, they encourage the exact opposite. I view these professors as a serious threat to our country’s way of life and its future.

Besides donating to your National Campaign To Take Back Our Campuses, which I encourage everyone to do, can you tell us what concerned parents can do to effectively fight this alarming trend at the local and state level?

Mr. Horowitz:
Of course it’s not just on our college campuses, unfortunately it’s in our secondary schools as well. I think that citizens have to get much more involved in education. There are local school boards, there are community colleges. If you’re an alumni, if you’re giving money to a school you can make your displeasure known. You’ve got to find out what they’re doing first, and then citizens can contact their Congressmen.

One of the things that would help me with my campaign to end the Leftist blacklist of conservatives and end political indoctrination on the campuses is to wake up Republican legislators. Republicans control quite a few of the state legislatures and governorships. They fund the state university systems, which are as egregious in this area as the private schools and could do quite a bit. Universities and colleges are going to legislators all the time for money, for variances, and for other benefits. It would help if every time they went and there was some stalling and a price to pay.

It’s very hard to deprive educational institutions of money because 80% to 90% of any of these colleges are devoted to the hard sciences such as medicine and professional schools - all of which are of great social benefit. It’s just the Liberal Arts departments that are a problem. So cutting money is much more difficult because the public will support education. But legislators can make the life of college presidents miserable if they choose to. And in my view, they should choose to and say ‘this is unconscionable, that there are no republicans in your history departments, or only one in your liberal arts faculty. It’s unconscionable that the university gives so much monetary support to people attacking our troops when they’re in harm’s way, do something about it. We won’t tell you what do, but do something.'

I think that most of the Left’s gains have come from the apathy of ordinary Americans.

Brent:
Some people are confused about “multiculturalism” and what it really means. How do you interpret it?

Mr. Horowitz:
Well, of course, as with all such things people have their own interpretations that suit their own agendas, but what the Left means by multiculturalism is that the process of it is- is an effort to attack and undermine the idea of an American culture. It is to fragment our country and make people identify more with where they came from than where they are. This is the negative aspect and so far as it means “inclusion,” that’s fine, but really what it means is ‘exclusion of America.'

We always have been a tolerant and inclusive country, but when the multicultural requirements of colleges for example are usually extreme leftist texts about colonial or oppressed peoples we’re alleged to have oppressed, it’s just a cover for anti-American agendas.

Brent:
Are they stuck in the past?

Mr. Horowitz:
They’re not stuck. They have an agenda. They hate America and their agenda is to undermine Americans’ pride in their own country. Of course there’s a lot of well meaning people who think of multiculturalism as inclusion and buy this nonsense that America excludes people. America from its beginnings has been more welcoming of more diverse peoples than any other countries, especially Europe.

They think it’s more important to learn - and I’m not saying its not important or one shouldn’t read the slave narrative, that’s fine - but the life of Abraham Lincoln is far more important because Lincoln freed the slaves as the question of emphasis.

Brent:
Please share with us the most egregious case of hostility and abuse that you’ve encountered while speaking at a college or university.

Mr. Horowitz:
The worst situation was at the University of California at Berkeley.

Brent:
I’m not surprised.

Mr. Horowitz:
The chancellors’ refused - I asked them to be on the platform with me to keep order and make sure the students were safe, and instead they didn’t come and they assigned thirty armed police to protect the students and me. I had four bodyguards; it was kind of a mess. It was a disgrace and an outrage that the University had allowed itself to get to a state where they felt it necessary to assign thirty armed police to defend a grandfather whose politics are Bush Republicanism. This is the direct responsibility of the school administration because they know who the troublemakers are and could expel them if they wanted to.

Brent:
So you think they turned a blind eye or encouraged them?

Mr. Horowitz:
Of course! They coddle the extreme Left. That’s because they’re Leftists themselves.

Brent:
What are your thoughts on “Affirmative Action,” especially the Michigan case argued before the Supreme Court this week?

Mr. Horowitz:
Let’s use the proper words. We’re talking about racial preferences in admissions and the University of Michigan awards almost twice as many points as you get for a perfect score on the SAT - which is an objective test - for having the right skin color. That’s racism. The University of Michigan is a racist institution with a racist admissions policy and I’m against it.

Brent:
Many conservative bloggers think the U.N. is ineffective and does more harm than good. Accordingly, they call for the U.S. to withdraw from the U.N. What do you think about the current state of the U.N. and do you think we should withdraw all support? Is that even feasible?

Mr. Horowitz:
I’m not sure it’s feasible. I think we should get a different security organization. The U.N. Security Council is irrelevant and has outlived any usefulness it had. We need to form an organization under the coalition of the willing and just ignore the U.N. I would like to see us diminish greatly our contributions to the U.N. The Chair of the Human Rights Commission is Libya and I think we should boycott the U.N. until Libya is removed. I would just as soon see us create a different organization and just pull the plug on it, but I don’t know if that will happen.

Brent:
The Bush administration favors a Palestinian state. It seems unlikely to me that this will ever come to fruition because the Palestinian leadership and various terrorist factions call for the total destruction of Israel. In my opinion, they will never live peacefully side by side with the Israelis.

Mr. Horowitz:
The Palestine Authority is a terrorist organization. The entire PA is a terrorist organization and for 40 years has been dedicated to the destruction of the Israeli state and pushing the Jews into the sea. Everything that they’ve done shows that that’s their agenda and it’s unshakeable. There is already an existing Palestinian state - that’s called Jordan. 70% of the Jordanian population is Palestinian. That should be the Palestinian state. In the practical world I hope that Bush holds to his resolve that Israel should not have to deal with terrorists. And that means the present premier - Arafat - is still in control of the army and the negotiations progress, so nothing has changed.

Brent:
Do you think there will ever be a Palestinian state?

Mr. Horowitz:
I don’t know. I don’t think they want a Palestinian state. There is the Arab Nation; they all talk about the Arab Nation. They don’t have a strong national identity. Who knows what the future will bring? Obviously, the U.S. victory in Iraq is going to change a lot. If the regimes of Syria in particular and Iran were different, the whole Middle East situation would be different. This is really not about Palestinians, it’s about Arabs.

Brent:
And we’re going to be situated right between Syria and Iran, both major sponsors of terrorism.

Mr. Horowitz:
Yes, we’re going to have a really important base in the Middle East. It’s terrific.

Brent:
The AP and Reuters continue to confound and anger us pro-Israel bloggers by their overt displays of solidarity with the various Palestinian terrorist factions. We view these news organizations as biased, anti-Semitic propagandists.

Mr. Horowitz:
The news media has been thoroughly infiltrated and thoroughly dominated by the Left. Until that changes- it’s not just their Israel reportage; look at the way they behave during this war. They try to find everything wrong. I mean this is the most brilliant military campaign ever conducted - ever! And they have coughed and sniped at the American leadership and the American military and the American president from Day One.

This is a problem - for Israelis it’s a major aspect, but it’s a minor aspect of the press. It’s biased all over the place and that’s partly a consequence of the Leftist domination of the universities.

Brent:
Could you tell us why the AP and Reuters refer to terrorists as “militants”?

Mr. Horowitz:
It’s Marxism in the journalism schools. I just had lunch with- this guy is a pretty good guy even though he’s on the Left; he’s not a Marxist. He’s the head of the Journalism School at USC. I asked him if he could name a single conservative on his faculty, he said no. A radical,
Orville Schell, runs the Journalism School at UC Berkeley and the head of the search committee is a Marxist, Troy Duster.

Why would you expect the press to be any different when the training institutions for the press are controlled by the hard-left? I should say the anti American Left.

Brent:
Many conservative bloggers despise PETA with a passion and work to expose their links to radical eco-terrorist groups such as ELF and ALF. Do you have any specific thoughts about these groups?

Mr. Horowitz:
I don’t really know much about the relationships to environmental groups, but I’m building a vast database so that other people can find out about these links that will be up on the web. ELF is an anti-American organization. I’ve read some hair-raising quotes from the head of ELF.

I once read an article about ten years ago called From Red to Green, pointing out why Marxists like radical environmental groups - its because they’re apocalyptic. Their vision is always, ‘give us power to save the planet or the planet will be destroyed.’ And the advantage of preaching some kind of socialist revolution in the name of rocks and trees is that the rocks and trees can never disown you the way the working class disowned the communists.

Brent:
How would you compare them with the Black Panthers, the SLA, and other groups of the 60s and 70s?

Mr. Horowitz:
The Panthers were a street gang that adopted a political front. The SLA was run by- I think he was a crazy escaped convict who got a bunch of losers to follow him.

ELF and ALF sound like Leftist organizations. The die-hard Left pretended that the collapse of the communist empire had nothing to do with them even though they, their parents, and their intellectual and political ancestors had supported communism from Day One. They’ve been working the last thirty years to build a movement, which they have-, which is very articulated, and obviously they’re well organized.

Of course, they always claim that there’s no “Left” because there is not one organization. But it’s pretty obvious that all these groups come together on one big issue, which is: “Hate America and do anything to undermine and destroy it.” That’s what links the peace groups, environmental groups, feminist groups, and the black racist groups. They’re all hell-bent on destroying America. They view America as the Great Satan and that’s what links them to Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

Understand that the Left is a Nihilism. There’s no positive program anymore - I mean there are some loonies around who actually think they have a practical plan for socialism, but most Leftists can’t be so deluded. Socialism is kind of like Islamic paradise with the 72 virgins and what they focus on is the destructive side of revolution. And that’s what unites them and that’s what motivates them. Attack America, attack corporations, attack the “ruling class,” attack white people, attack Republicans. That’s the driving force. That’s where all their energy is generated.

Brent:
Free healthcare and housing for everyone and we’ll live in Utopia right?

Mr. Horowitz:
That’s a slogan and they don’t think about what that means in terms of a society. They don’t have any social plan.

Brent:
Just who is the “peace” movement and what do you know about them that average everyday people may not?

Mr. Horowitz:
I just put out an 80-page pamphlet called “
Who Is The Peace Movement?” They’re communist retreads, Maoists, pro-North Korea and pro-Soviet communists. Leslie Kagan, who is the head of the “moderate” organization United for Peace and Justice, is a pro-Soviet communist. She’s been a Stalinist since the 1960s. It’s that Left - The Nation Left - people who’ve supported every communist. They’ve supported every American enemy for the last 70 to 80 years. That’s who the peace movement is. It’s not a peace movement, if it was a peace movement it would’ve demonstrated at the Iraqi Embassy for Saddam to disarm. It’s a war movement, but its war is against America.

Brent:
How has ANSWER/World Workers Party benefited most from its promotion of the “peace” movement or by hiding behind it?

Mr. Horowitz:
Oh! I mean these losers! Incredibly marginal people have become center stage. They’re in Seventh Heaven.

Brent:
All the attention – “Hey, look at all the emotion and me!”

Mr. Horowitz:
Yes. If you looked inside the head of a Leftist today, you’d find ecstasy. The 60s have been reborn and they have this mass world movement against the “American war machine.” They’re happy campers.

Brent:
And that war machine is protecting us and liberating oppressed people….

Mr. Horowitz:
That makes them more heroic. The more powerful we are, the more they’re David versus Goliath.

Brent:
The ACLU – Pros and Cons.

Mr. Horowitz:
The ACLU was formed by communists to begin with. And some of its groups - like the one in Southern California - are extreme Leftists. Some of them are slightly more rational - like
Nadine Strossen - and there’s a woman named Murphy who is a president who has appeared at these communist rallies in Washington. There are plenty of people who support the ACLU who’re kind of liberal, but the organization is a left-wing hard-line organization just like all the other Leftist, phony civil liberties organizations. All I can see is: ‘Attack Ashcroft and undermine our first line of defense.’ That’s their goal now.

Brent:
Do you view the ACLU as relevant or a danger?

Mr. Horowitz:
Huge! They have a lot of money - a lot of money! The only reason that the Democrats are holding up these judicial appointments, for example, is because of the ACLU and what is called the National Rights Alliance that links NOW. These are all Leftists who want to cripple America’s ability to defend itself, and their interest in diversity and civil liberties is pretty minimal in my view. I don’t see any of them standing up to complain about the blacklist on college campuses of conservative, Republican and religious people.

Brent:
So they’re rather selective in the issues they take on and those tend to lean toward the Left.

Mr. Horowitz:
Exactly! And the main focus of their energy is defending Muslim terrorists. They’re big on the issue of terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and the head of Islamic Jihad in America. But Nadine Strossen has been pretty good about defending free speech. In that case they’re good.

Brent:
So the ACLU can still look good on occasion…?

Mr. Horowitz:
Yes. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Brent:
Name a few books other than
your own we can’t live without, and your favorite web sites.

Mr. Horowitz:
Vision of the Anointed and Cosmic Justice by Thomas Sowell. Every conservative should’ve read The Road to Serfdom, Hayek. And I like
Andrew Sullivan’s site.

I truly appreciate your time Mr. Horowitz. Thank you and keep up the good work.

David Horowitz
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A very special thanks to my good friend Dodd at Ipse Dixit for his invaluable assistance with this project.


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